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**Squirell** · March 8th, 2006, 02:18 AM

All this crap on Barry Bonds using steroids is getting kind of old. Why is it you take the best player in baseball and make a big deal out of steroid use when probably at least half of major leaguers use them. They should be legal anyways. Does anyone have a clue how hard it is to play 162 games in a season when you only get one day off in a month maybe even no days off. i don't think so. This includes travel different time zones and playing every day. It is virtually impossible for an athlete to be in such good shape that he doesn't have injuries. Take a look at cal ripken jr. there is no way that he could have played that many games in a row without taking something. But noone ever said anything about that. just my opinion. I'm not saying that bonds didn't use roids, because i believe he did but they should get over it he's still one of the best hitters in history.

**MikMo** · March 8th, 2006, 08:02 AM

So, you advocate using steroids to gain an advantage over someone who is honest enough not to? That just proves just what the almighty dollar will do to someone, to make them risk their lasting health for the big contract. I wouldn't want to end up with a brain tumor, shrunken genitalia, or acne like a madman all over my back....and before you say "That comes with abuse", it's proven that these conditions apply with even casual use. So you have fun throwing your life away for a George Washington or two, I'll stick to what God gave me....it aint much, but I aint dead yet.

**Ironlung** · March 8th, 2006, 08:30 AM

Agreed. And oh yeah, Cal Ripken was the biggest roid user ever. He was huge. (hope the sarcasm is coming through).

**imported_mega** · March 8th, 2006, 09:09 AM

The media hates Bonds so you know they are going to do everything in their power to go after him. Of course it just makes him more driven to accomplish more.

Bonds never cheated and has never failed a drug test while drug testing has become a part of the sport. Even now, if the sources are completely true, it still is irrelevant because youre probably never going to get a failed drug test from Bonds, a drug test from the past(in an era where he didnt cheat) and youre never going to hear him say "I used blah blah blah, etc, etc"

You guys saw his statement about the book. 2 sentences, he could care less.

You could say Pitchers cheat by walking him 4 times a game but it was/is as much a part of the game as the steroids were.

**CoeburnCane** · March 8th, 2006, 09:36 AM

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You could say Pitchers cheat by walking him 4 times a game but it was/is as much a part of the game as the steroids were.

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You "could", but I don't know if I'd go THAT far buddy...intentional walks are in the rule books from Little League on up to the MLB. Steroids isn't in the rule book, and the earliest you'll see young kids take anything like that is HS. Walks/intentional walks are part of the game and strategy...steroids isn't.

If the sources in the book ARE true, then they are relevant to how he'll be looked at in the history of the game. If he does eventually admit to taking steroids...then all of those records he's bound to break (along w/the ones he has right now) may get that dreaded asterisk beside of them. To me, that'd be more humiliating in the long run than to take them away altogether.

Don't get me wrong, I agree the media doesn't like Bonds and they may trump stuff up and blow things out of proportion to get a "scoop" on him, but just because a book is written doesn't mean that the sources aren't true. Failed drug tests or no, if someone has the information and is a credible source saying that he did indeed take something performance enhancing, then it will hurt his legacy.

All that being said--I still think he breaks Hank Aaron's record, gets into the HOF...mainly because people will realize, 'roids or not, that it's one of the greatest athletic feats of all time to hit the ball like he has. It still takes a lot of skill to hit the ball at as high of an average and with as much power as he does on a consistent basis.

**TheBeast** · March 8th, 2006, 09:56 AM

I would like to add that I am not degrading Bonds or his ability, he is a pure hitter, I couldn't even come close to what he has done I can hit the ball a mile if I get a hold of one but I just don't have an eye for hitting, I guess that is why I gave up baseball in 9th grade for throwing shot and disc and lifting weights for football. But back to my point withour the roids Bonds would have retired a few years ago and all this wouldn't even be a topic.

**imported_mega** · March 8th, 2006, 10:16 AM

oh roids were a part of the game, they werent illegal like a corked bat or a spit ball so they were part of the game. It just happend to be the part of the game called workout regiment. I realize roids and being walked 4 times a game are totally different, just making the point that the dude usually gets a couple pitches a game towards achieving what he has achieved.

I personally enjoy the Victor Conte science fair experiment, he made a machine almost like a real life Ivan Drago.

**TheBeast** · March 8th, 2006, 09:31 AM

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Does anyone have a clue how hard it is to play 162 games in a season when you only get one day off in a month maybe even no days off. i don't think so

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We are talkin baseball here it's not they are very rigorous games even thought they do play 162 a year. And especially for an outfielder they have the least active position on the field. ANd don't go into what they do off the field in practice and such, let's give them a hammer and see how they fair driving nails and carrying lumber 8-10 hours a day for about 320 days a year and the ones that do do this don't use any performance enhancers besides caffein and sugar. I don't want to hear any garbage about how hard it is to play baseball without steroids, baseball was played for over half a century without steroids to help them and most players had other jobs besides playing ball for a long time before they started getting paid enough to just be a fulltime player.

March 8th, 2006, 10:41 AM

Bench ,Rose , Contraption (Perez couldn't say the name and that was the clubhouse nickname) Perez, May , Helms, Griffey, Foster...that was just the Cincy teams. If he can't play like he is supposed to toss him out like Rose got for gambling. It is the same as any other drug or illegal habit that has an effect on the game. Baseball is the easy sport, let him chase Jordan (and I was a Celtic Fan) around and see what he tears up. How much does a baseball player actually MOVE during a game? 5 at bats and 6 or 8 put outs? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] PS, I loved a good "doctored " fastball, spitball, cut by the filed laces , vasoline, emeryboard in the hatliner, I've seen'em all. Anybody remember Ted Abernathy? [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

**TheBeast** · March 8th, 2006, 10:53 AM

Exactly the point I was trying to make, golfers are more active than baseball players overall, they walk at least 1-2 miles a day.
I also like the point with Pete Rose what bonds did was more degrading to baseball than waht Rose ever did and at least he admitted to gambling but never on his own team at the detriment of the team. They try and be all high and mighty about being better than gambling but they don't try and do anything about stopping anyone from doing it and actually support it. Pete Rose was a better player than bonds ever was and didn't use anything except his God given ability.